Ok I discovered that even though added to third party components the Trzdbgrid was not able to be adjusted through the Skin Manager so by replacing the Raize dbGrid with the Alpha Controls dbGrid and what I didn’t get before was that the guy who suggested this posted pictures of his example app but no code other than what I posted above; because it had a skin it was hard to see that it had trackbars on it that were being used used to change the width of the scrollbars so the code above did make sense and when I used “sSkinManager1.ScrollsOptions.ScrollSize = 34” everything worked just fine.